April 26, 2023
Using Play to Improve Focus with Matt Toy, Movement Trainer, Cooperative Business Owner and Baker
This week, Jessica interviews Matt Toy, a Movement Trainer, & Cooperative Business Owner / Baker.
Matt Toy is a movement trainer who helps students move better in their yoga practice, athletic pursuits, and daily lives, all while creating a culture of mindfulness & mastery through movement. He's also co-owner and lead baker at the Cheese Board Collective, a workers cooperative bakery and pizzeria in Berkeley, CA that regularly has lines around the block. With a black belt in Freestyle Martial Arts, Matt has been teaching adults and kids how to move better his whole life. He recently earned his Trainer Certification from GMB to teach locomotion and mixed movement, and he teaches yoga weekly at the Green Yogi studio.
Check out Matt's work at mattoy.com or on Instagram @Matt_Toy_Yoga.
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Credits
Produced and Hosted by Jessica Wan
Co-produced, edited, and sound design by Naomi Tepper
Theme music by Denys Kyshchuk and Stockaudios from Pixabay
Transcript
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Baking in the movement are
really the same thing.
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It's really about the individual
showing up.
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And how am I going to show up in
this environment?
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Doesn't really matter what the
environment is so much as this
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is how I sha.
So it's deciding deciding, to
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lead your life rather than
always be sort of trying to fit
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different molds.
What fuels, a multi passionate
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life, I'm Jessica one.
And in this podcast, I interview
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people who straddle two,
completely different worlds.
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I Call them a Sands and we are
collectively designing.
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The Ampersand manifest.
I'm so excited today to be
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talking to Matt toy.
Matt is a movement trainer who
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helps students move better in
their yoga, practice athletic,
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Pursuits and daily lives all
while creating a culture of
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mindfulness and Mastery through
movement.
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He's also a co-owner and Lead
Baker at the cheese board,
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Collective a workers Cooperative
Bakery and Pizzeria in Berkeley
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California.
That regularly has lines around
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the block with a black belt in
freestyle.
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Martial arts, Matt has been
teaching, adults, and kids, how
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to move better his whole life.
He recently earned his trainer
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certification from GMB to teach
Locomotion, and mixed movement,
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and he teaches yoga weekly At
the green Yogi, Studio mat.
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Welcome to the show.
Thanks so much Jessica.
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It is a real honor to be here.
Thank you.
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Thank you.
We have known each other.
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Now, a couple of years because
you are my yoga teacher.
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Before I met you, I done yoga on
and off throughout the years.
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But when I found your class, it
wasn't just the movement, but
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the community that felt really
special.
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How do you build community in
your classes?
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I would say, a lot of people
come to a yoga class.
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They walk into the room,
sometimes there's music playing,
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sometimes it's dead quiet.
And there's this sort of, let's
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say, like tension or awkwardness
that can often exists there
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where it's like, should I talk
to my neighbors?
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Should I not talk to the person
next to me?
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And so I want it to be really
Direct in my classes and just
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basically say, hey, if there's
someone next to you, get to know
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them.
Right?
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Introduce yourself.
Say hello.
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Tell them what it is.
You do for work.
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Or if you Of kids share
something.
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So we start every single class
at the beginning and just say,
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hey meet your neighbor and
share, one thing you're working
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on and that could be yoga
related.
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It could also be something
completely different in that
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just that single act of
connecting and it only takes a
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few minutes.
Really brings people together to
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see each other as people instead
of this sort of awkward silence.
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Any time we finish a very hard
sequence or position and it can
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be sort of stressful at times.
Times prior or strenuous let's
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say glance at your neighbor and
say, hey neighbor, good job.
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We got through that sequence
together, we got through that
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post together.
So, it's just another way of
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bringing people together,
creating Community within the
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yoga classes.
Thank you for that.
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I know I've met people and I see
a lot of regulars in your
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classes and we wave.
Hi to each other.
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When we see each other in the
neighborhood to now, which is so
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nice.
I'm so glad you bring that up to
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Jessica something I really enjoy
about your Approach is the
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freedom to be childlike.
We experiment with movement,
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that's fun.
And on restrictive, you have all
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sorts of students in your
classes.
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Ranging from kids to folks in
their 70s and maybe even older.
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How does this playful approach
benefit people of all ages?
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So I've been practicing yoga for
a very long time since 2007,
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pretty much non-stop.
The one point I did stop in my
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life, had a complete meltdown.
Total burnout from everything in
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my life.
The primary reason was I was
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taking life way too seriously.
Now that includes my yoga
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practice, my yoga practice, I
was taking so seriously and in
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particular, there was one move,
I was trying to get handstand,
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you know, and I would see these
Advanced Yogi's just
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effortlessly float into a
handstand.
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And I became so jealous.
I became so obsessed.
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So not even upsets possessed so
serious.
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That it destroyed all the joy
that yoga used to bring me all
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the relaxation.
All the benefits, right?
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And all of that actually rippled
into other areas of my life, we
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won't get into all of that right
now.
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But work relationships,
self-care, practice, aside from
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yoga.
So after that, and that was
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about a six to eight-month
period where I can, please just
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stopped activities, stop
practicing yoga.
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And then when I finally came
back, I just was like, you know
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what, I want to play.
I want to try something
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completely different.
I'm going to stop judging
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myself.
If I can't get a posture, I'm
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going to stop criticizing
Myself.
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And I'm just going to, I'm just
going to do it.
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And so over time, you know, in
this is again long time ago.
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But over time, I started to
realize.
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Wow, this playful attitude is
what's missing so much in the
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yoga culture, which tend to be
very serious, very strict and it
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has so many benefits.
So, one of the benefits is a
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gets you out of that sort of
serious mindset to.
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We just experienced what it is
in front of you.
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How your body's moving feeling
your body or even potentially
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noticing what someone else is
doing it.
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Getting inspired by it, but not
getting jealous of it, right?
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Or switching that another thing
is being playful.
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Actually allows you to get
better results.
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And what I mean by that is when
you notice a kid playing or
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learning a new skill, they do it
until they're tired, then they
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take a break, I don't adults, do
the same thing.
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Why do we have to grind and
grind and grind?
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And think like, oh, I just put
my nose to the grindstone.
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That's the only way I can
achieve this and don't get me
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wrong.
Sometimes we need to push
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through, but there's other
times, like, who, what if I
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should say?
Played with this like a kid with
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and when I get tired I take a
break and then I come back and
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sure enough over time.
That repetition feeling good
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through your movements.
That's how you start to develop
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skills, that's how you move
better.
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That's how you do it with a
sense of ease.
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That's how you bounce strength
and flexibility and then the
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last thing about playfulness,
you know, sometimes people think
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playfulness is just being like a
carrot just being sort of this
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willy-nilly but no playfulness
could actually also be very
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focused and so they could be
moments.
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Are you are very focused and
precise and you're still playing
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and you have the ability to then
switch it to any moment, right?
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And then, you can be all, you
know, I want to be a little more
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expensive.
I want to be like a kid again.
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Or, you know, actually do want
to practice being serious for a
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minute, but there's again,
there's an ability to switch and
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sort of play with different say
dispositions at any point.
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And I think that's very helpful
for us students.
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I really feel a lot of what you
said.
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Well, first about About yoga
being a foundation that lifts
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all other aspects of your life.
And also, I'm getting this image
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of an inner child.
Like we all have an inner child
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within us and that inner child I
think can come out, not just in
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yoga, but in other areas of Our
Lives, you talked a lot about
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how your kids have inspired you,
especially with what you bring
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to class.
And movement.
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I'm curious what you were like
as a kid.
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I don't personally remember
this, but I hear this from
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peers, as well, as the parents
of my peers, and my friends said
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I was very charismatic as a kid.
I don't think adventurous is the
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right word, but, but willing to
try new things.
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So in some ways that might be
adventurous and I think the
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sense that I get is, I also had
Focus as a kid which most kids
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that sort of a struggle.
And so being able to sit with a
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task for a while and really dive
deep into it.
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Whether it be listening to some
new Jazz album that my dad gave
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me or, for example, in martial
arts learning a specific skill.
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Oh, here's one example.
Learning to do this the straddle
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splits, when I was, you know, in
sixth grade or so.
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So, you know, almost adolescent,
but to spending so much time and
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focus on that Switching gears a
little bit.
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What has your journey looked
like as a baker?
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So, let's see, after college
ended up working for an
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adventure travel company called
back roads, actually based in
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Berkeley and they specialize in
adventure travel.
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So biking cycling hiking
kayaking all that sort of stuff
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and they needed support for
their group.
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So anytime that the group would
land somewhere.
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So I was what they call the Camp
Chef at the time, it was a
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really fun job.
I had cooked before that.
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But basically, this was like my
first professional application
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of cooking in an outdoor
setting.
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So like my office Was the Grand
Canyon, you know, essentially
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for a summer it was so much fun
met, so many cool people.
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And from there ended up working
at a non-profit that dealt with
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food and agriculture.
I wasn't really doing much
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Hands-On work production work at
the time and then sort of
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steered, huh?
What would it be like to own a
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business?
You know, I was really
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interested in small business at
the time, primarily from working
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through this farmers market
which essentially know each each
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stall is its own business.
And in a way each Farm, I wanted
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some of that experience.
And happened to find Arizmendi
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which is very similar to the
cheese board.
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It's basically a sister
cooperative and Association of
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bakeries went through their
whole training process, became a
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co-owner of the bakery and Santa
fell, which is where I lived at
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the time.
Also, where I grew up and really
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fell in love with baking bread
and rolling and working with a
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team and leading a team and
navigating the Ages of not just
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business, but also as a
Cooperative, which is just so
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different than your top-down
hierarchical business structure,
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was there for several years, and
then ended up moving to cheese
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board because we move to
Berkeley and have been a cheese
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board now, for almost almost
eight years, so it wasn't
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necessarily intentionally.
I want to be a baker but it was
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more.
There was an interest there of.
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Hmm.
I want to own my own business
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and I want to try this food
thing.
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Wonder what it's like.
The cheese board is so much more
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than just a bakery listeners.
If you are in the Bay Area, you
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know, it's an institution very
much in its place in Berkeley
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and also its place in the world
of workers cooperatives.
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What have you learned from this
business side of being a
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co-owner at the cheese board?
I'll patience.
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And patience is the biggest
thing, particularly, for our
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model, every cooperative
Business is a little different
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ours, in particular we strive
for consensus and we have a
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modified consensus model, so
there can be a little descent
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but not very much.
There's not a, we're slowly
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starting to allow a little more
descent, let's say, but that
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requires so much time, energy to
shift culture shifting people's
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perspectives, shifting culture,
pitching an idea, takes a Of
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time sometimes.
And I think the biggest thing
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that I've learned is is being
patient and also planning way
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ahead like hey okay we have this
thing on the agenda we know it's
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not going to pass but let's
introduce this idea.
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The next meeting maybe have a
breakout group and discuss some
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of the points that are a little
sticky or people are not really
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on the same page with and then
maybe by you know the next
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quarter we can actually propose
this and have it passed so it
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takes a lot of time.
In a Cooperative, you know, it's
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not just one person saying we're
going to do this or even a small
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Board of folks saying we're
going to do this.
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And here's here's the next
Direction, it's really a group
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effort.
The cheese board is unique in
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that it's, you know, firmly
planted in the Bay Area.
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Which over the past few decades
has been the world of VC and
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startups and fast-paced and a
lot of times hierarchical and
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these tend to be the people who
are buying bread too, I think
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startups and tech companies
could learn from coops.
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There's two things.
One is the patient's factor,
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which is so hard in a tech
environment, you know, many of
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my friends work in Tech and so I
hear sort of their struggles.
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Super fast paced again,
hierarchical, but being able to
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take, maybe just a little more
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challenging.
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I understand that's very
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second thing is, And this is
what we say within our own
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business, at she sport, the
wisdom of the group.
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And what we mean by that is you
have folks that are actually
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doing very high-level work, that
an executive would be doing a
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cheese board.
Now they don't have the same
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power and say necessarily but
their role in terms of being
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strategic their role.
In terms of being a leader or
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getting people to rise to
certain challenges, we listen to
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those people but we also listen
to the people who don't have
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those skills necessarily but
maybe Well in other areas and
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rolling bread or add cooking
staff meals.
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of perspectives.
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Also backgrounds, we are very
diverse, workplace, not just
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socio-economic, but also culture
language.
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expansive view of where people
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are coming from.
And while that's very
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challenging and unnecessary
timely, it provides sort of
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worldly wisdom in a way. that I
think everyone not just the tech
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industry but everyone could
benefit from Let's take a moment
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to reflect on this question,
think of your team?
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How could you help draw out more
wisdom of the team outside of
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Hosting this podcast?
I partner with leaders in the
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workplace as they rise up.
Perhaps you've gotten a
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promotion landed, a new role or
taken on a lot more
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responsibility and you need a
It's sounding board to support
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you as you support your team.
I coach individuals and
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Leadership teams to rise to the
challenge with my a and blend of
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analytical and creative.
If any of this intrigues, you
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reach out to me at Jessica
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Now, back to the show, your work
at the cheese board starts
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really early in the morning.
How does healthy movement play a
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role when you're in the kitchen?
In and working those super early
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shifts.
So, Saturday is my early shift.
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Wake up at 3 a.m. get to work a
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little before. 4:00 a.m.
rolling, all the bread, starting
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to bake.
Some of the sweet stuff movement
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is essential as a baker or even
through any sort of, let's say,
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production sort of work.
You are limited in what
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movements you do and they tend
to be repetitive.
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So, taking a moment to take a
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at work, we do.
At 55 am take a stretch break,
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start to move our bodies in
different ways and that really
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starts to loosen up areas of
tension.
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Also just gives you a different
perspective about your work when
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you're able to step back on my
breaks I tend to go downstairs
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and what we call a third garage
it's just a big garage with a
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bunch of flowers and stuff in
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I put up some gymnastics rings
and I actually go through a
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movement routine to get
different movement from my body.
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The benefit of doing that is I
have so much more energy for the
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rest of the time until I get
off, which is around 12 or 13.
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One and if I don't do that, I
notice immediately I'm just
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dragging.
And so for me, it's really a way
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of what a inspiring other people
to move.
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That's what we take that stretch
bake but for myself knowing
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that, hey, if I do this and I'm
not going in doing anything
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crazy, but if I go through this
movement, routine takes some
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mindful approach through it.
It really just has that ripple
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effect so that my body's feeling
good.
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But also so that I'm focused in
what it is that I'm doing that.
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I'm not spacing out or just
staring at the clock.
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Wondering.
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Can I go home and take my nap?
Now, I'm so tired.
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So, you know move it plays a
huge role.
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I would say it's the foundation
for, you know, not just keeping
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your body working well but also
keeping your mind in a place
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that is productive and positive.
It's funny you bring up
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gymnastics rings because they
seem to have sparked a lot of
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conversation.
One of your current projects is
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morning parent workouts at your
kids school.
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These are 20 to 30-minute
movement it's and another dad
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saw you with your gymnastics
rings and now the whole schools
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talking about movement, posture
squats, handstands Etc.
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What does this current project
mean to you in any business
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venture?
We always, you know, we do our
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market research or even even
within the coop or doing our
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research, okay.
Is this product and sell,
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whatever?
Doing all this research, is this
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thing going to work, but
sometimes we just have to play
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with it and just try something.
So, for example, in this case, I
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had my gymnastics rings on my
backpack.
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Another dad saw it and rather
than me like organizing
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something, it was just sort of
spontaneous.
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This Dad saw at told another
dad, another dad saw it moms are
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no jumping into it.
It's just fun, you know?
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And as a parent we have so many
restrictions on our time or
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energy location, I was like, you
know what, all this is going to
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take is like 20 minutes,
sometimes, 30 minutes.
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If we have a little more time,
you know, in the in the drop off
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at preschool went smoothly and
everything and it's just Has
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been so much fun playing around
with these other parents
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learning how to pull, better
learning how to squat better
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seeing, how other folks are
moving asking questions, right?
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Again, that community that
playfulness and then also the
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results.
I mean, oftentimes we have this
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fallacy of that.
We need to put in hours and
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hours and hours, to see results.
And actually, even just in 20
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minutes of going through, one of
these routines that I put
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together and have amazing
benefits.
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And so, I keep getting texts
from all the partners of whoever
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Has Come, For example, Like one
of my other friends texted me
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like saying wow.
You know, Seth walk through the
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door with this huge smile on his
face.
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I don't know what you did, but
but it's, you know, it's great.
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Keep doing it so, yeah, we'll
see what happens with it.
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But right now, it's really just
a matter of moving around
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together in community being
playful and then seeing the the
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amazing results from that, what
do you think is the intersection
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of baking and movement?
So we're going to get a little
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philosophical.
Because as a Sands were
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straddling, sort of two
identities.
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And sometimes those identities
are a little rigid, little fix.
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Like, I am this.
Hmm.
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And sometimes we need that for
that confidence, for that
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courage.
Yeah, this is me.
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This is what I do.
And that's great, you know,
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yourself, but maybe taking it
even a broader a bigger
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approach.
We're baking that movement is
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like a meditation.
Just like your movement
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training, just like your
movement practice the
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application, Looks different
because wonderful flower you're
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working with do here on the
table.
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The other, your might be moving
through yoga routine or again, a
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strength circuit or Locomotion.
But ultimately, it's how am I
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applying my focus.
How am I expressing myself
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through these movements?
Right?
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So if you're rolling a baguette
in, you're doing it and you're
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sort of tie in rigid, that
baguettes, not going to turn out
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very nice.
You might fly in it, you might
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not give it.
Enough tension.
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If you put too much tension and
you start to rip the do.
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Same thing goes with your
movement, pulling a little too
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hard.
Oh there goes your bicep or
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maybe you're not engaging enough
and you're not getting much out
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of it.
You're not fully expressed, so I
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think really.
Now the baking and the movement
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are really the same thing as
really about the individual
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showing up.
I how am I going to show up in
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this environment?
Doesn't really matter what the
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environment is so much is this
is how I shop.
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So it's deciding To lead your
life rather than always be sort
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of ton of fit different molds
and don't get me wrong, does it?
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There's workability within that,
but truly, this is how I shot.
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This is how I move my body.
So that that's taken a long time
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to sort of come to that
conclusion of really
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harmonizing.
Again, these two seemingly
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different worlds and having them
be actually.
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Oh, maybe they're, they're one
of the same or interchangeable.
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I hadn't really thought before
about How the body effects,
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what'd you bake, but you hear a
lot about, you know, if you bake
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with love, then the results are
good.
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But I'm hearing even more than
that.
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It's really a product of Being
Human.
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Why we bake for others?
Yeah, so back 10 years ago in
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2013, you set foot on the Camino
de Santiago.
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And after that Journey, you
wrote a book called The
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preparedness guide.
For the Camino de Santiago 10
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years later.
How has that Journey stayed with
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you?
Well, in the most practical
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sense, continuing to hike,
continuing to run to be outside
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to be in motion.
And life is always about
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movements always being in
motion.
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But I think the beautiful thing
about the Camino de Santiago is.
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You can choose your pace, you
can take a rest, you can stop.
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And that was a huge, huge
element that was missing.
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In my life, right before, I had
gone on the Camino earlier, I'd
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reference like that sort of Life
burned out.
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And again, we're not going to
get into all that stuff, but
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being able to slow down and find
a pace that works for you and
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not any point.
Yeah, you can turn that Tempo up
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or you can back off.
So the Camino really taught me
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how to in other words,
self-regulating right on the
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journey and another thing that I
sort of forgot but have now,
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recently rediscovered is looking
Those little clues in your life
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that are helping you along and
guide you in the direction that
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you want to go and paying
attention, I'd paying attention
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to those side.
So those are sort of the two
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main takeaways is is yeah.
I like being able to regulate
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your pace.
And then second thing is hanging
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attention to your surroundings.
The little clues that are
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helping you guide along and
eventually, you know, you will
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reach something.
Ah, go we're at whatever.
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Santiago sort of metaphorically
is for you.
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You'll arrive there but it's
just Trusting that process and
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keeping moving.
Yeah.
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What advice do you have for
people who are pursuing or
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thinking of pursuing, an
ampersand life, if you're
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thinking about pursuing an
ampersand life, I want you to
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just do it.
I want you to start moving that
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movement.
Might be really small, doesn't
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necessarily mean you have to
quit one thing to start another.
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Sometimes that might be the
case, but really it's what's the
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smallest thing that I could do
right now?
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How can I take just one step?
How could I really step?
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To this fully you know it's quit
say but life is so short.
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So if you have something that is
pulling you stop resisting,
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instead use that force to move
into it.
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And I mean, it's like again,
this is my martial arts
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background, but someone is
pulling you and you're resisting
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the pole, that gives them all
the power, but if someone pulls
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you and you strike into it,
they've just lost all their
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power.
So the same sort of principle
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can apply.
If you've Got that pole.
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Something's pulling at you.
I want to do this thing.
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I'm a little scared.
I'm not sure.
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Overthinking it.
You just step right into it.
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Strike go because it works out.
It always does just have to
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trust yourself.
I'm hearing, just go for it and
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we are all in motion anyway.
So why not take that step?
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Exactly through all of these
interviews.
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We are co-creating principles
for leading a multi passionate
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life.
What would you like to add to
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the Ampersand Manifesto?
So first thing is trusting
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yourself, I think that's that's
huge.
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Trusting yourself.
Second thing I would say is
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rather than focusing so much on
results which are important.
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Don't get me wrong, very
important.
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I want to see a Sands and this
goes for for everyone really to
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be fully expressed.
And what I mean by that is
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showing up as you and that kind
of goes back to trust in
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yourself but showing up And
being you.
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And that's that's the second
thing that it has been.
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Such a pleasure talking with you
and I'll see you in class on
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Friday folks.
You can check out Max work at
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Matt toy.com.
That's matto, y, or an Instagram
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at met toy yoga and we'll link
to these in the show notes.
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If you liked this show hit,
like, subscribe and share with
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your friends and fellow
ampersands, I had a chance to
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listen back on my conversation
with Matt and I wanted to share
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a few key takeaways one.
There's an interesting interplay
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between focus and playing that.
I'm curious to explore in my own
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life.
As a child, I was a bit like
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Matt able to focus for long
periods of time.
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I remember being interpreted as
serious and mature, now as an
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adult, I am looking for places
to play and while Focus and play
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are different.
They are not diametrically
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opposed.
In fact, I wonder if playing
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ushers in Focus before
inhabiting a playful attitude
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and loving what we're doing.
Maybe that's when focus is
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ignited to it was fascinating to
hear about how workers
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cooperatives operate and the
idea of developing patients
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through work in my experience in
the corporate.
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And startup world even though
it's fast-paced I would 100%
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agree that adaptations to
culture and new ideas, take time
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and sometimes it seems like the
faster route.
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The more hierarchical route just
makes change happen.
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But there are consequences I
think we need to talk more about
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these consequences about the big
picture, both in the business
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world and in society at large 3,
We are always in motion as a
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coach.
I often hear from clients that
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navigating change is one of the
hardest struggles feeling
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unmoored or not secure.
But when we think about it, even
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when we are settled or in one
place, there is always change
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happening.
So, how do we get more
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comfortable and accept that?
We are always in motion, like
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Walking the Camino.
It's not about the The
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destination.
Like it to add to the are
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presented a festo.
Thanks for trusting me so much
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Jessica.
I feel very honored actually.
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Baking in the movement are
really the same thing.
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It's really about the individual
showing up.
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And how am I going to show up in
this environment?
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Doesn't really matter what the
environment is so much as this
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is how I sha.
So it's deciding deciding, to
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lead your life rather than
always be sort of trying to fit
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different molds.
What fuels, a multi passionate
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life, I'm Jessica one.
And in this podcast, I interview
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people who straddle two,
completely different worlds.
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I Call them a Sands and we are
collectively designing.
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The Ampersand manifest.
I'm so excited today to be
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talking to Matt toy.
Matt is a movement trainer who
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helps students move better in
their yoga, practice athletic,
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Pursuits and daily lives all
while creating a culture of
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mindfulness and Mastery through
movement.
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He's also a co-owner and Lead
Baker at the cheese board,
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Collective a workers Cooperative
Bakery and Pizzeria in Berkeley
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California.
That regularly has lines around
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the block with a black belt in
freestyle.
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Martial arts, Matt has been
teaching, adults, and kids, how
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to move better his whole life.
He recently earned his trainer
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certification from GMB to teach
Locomotion, and mixed movement,
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and he teaches yoga weekly At
the green Yogi, Studio mat.
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Welcome to the show.
Thanks so much Jessica.
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It is a real honor to be here.
Thank you.
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Thank you.
We have known each other.
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Now, a couple of years because
you are my yoga teacher.
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Before I met you, I done yoga on
and off throughout the years.
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But when I found your class, it
wasn't just the movement, but
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the community that felt really
special.
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How do you build community in
your classes?
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I would say, a lot of people
come to a yoga class.
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They walk into the room,
sometimes there's music playing,
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sometimes it's dead quiet.
And there's this sort of, let's
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say, like tension or awkwardness
that can often exists there
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where it's like, should I talk
to my neighbors?
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Should I not talk to the person
next to me?
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And so I want it to be really
Direct in my classes and just
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basically say, hey, if there's
someone next to you, get to know
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them.
Right?
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Introduce yourself.
Say hello.
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Tell them what it is.
You do for work.
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Or if you Of kids share
something.
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So we start every single class
at the beginning and just say,
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hey meet your neighbor and
share, one thing you're working
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on and that could be yoga
related.
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It could also be something
completely different in that
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just that single act of
connecting and it only takes a
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few minutes.
Really brings people together to
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see each other as people instead
of this sort of awkward silence.
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Any time we finish a very hard
sequence or position and it can
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be sort of stressful at times.
Times prior or strenuous let's
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say glance at your neighbor and
say, hey neighbor, good job.
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We got through that sequence
together, we got through that
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post together.
So, it's just another way of
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bringing people together,
creating Community within the
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yoga classes.
Thank you for that.
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I know I've met people and I see
a lot of regulars in your
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classes and we wave.
Hi to each other.
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When we see each other in the
neighborhood to now, which is so
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nice.
I'm so glad you bring that up to
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Jessica something I really enjoy
about your Approach is the
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freedom to be childlike.
We experiment with movement,
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that's fun.
And on restrictive, you have all
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sorts of students in your
classes.
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Ranging from kids to folks in
their 70s and maybe even older.
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How does this playful approach
benefit people of all ages?
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So I've been practicing yoga for
a very long time since 2007,
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pretty much non-stop.
The one point I did stop in my
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life, had a complete meltdown.
Total burnout from everything in
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my life.
The primary reason was I was
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taking life way too seriously.
Now that includes my yoga
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practice, my yoga practice, I
was taking so seriously and in
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particular, there was one move,
I was trying to get handstand,
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you know, and I would see these
Advanced Yogi's just
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effortlessly float into a
handstand.
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And I became so jealous.
I became so obsessed.
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So not even upsets possessed so
serious.
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That it destroyed all the joy
that yoga used to bring me all
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the relaxation.
All the benefits, right?
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And all of that actually rippled
into other areas of my life, we
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won't get into all of that right
now.
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But work relationships,
self-care, practice, aside from
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yoga.
So after that, and that was
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about a six to eight-month
period where I can, please just
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stopped activities, stop
practicing yoga.
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And then when I finally came
back, I just was like, you know
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what, I want to play.
I want to try something
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completely different.
I'm going to stop judging
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myself.
If I can't get a posture, I'm
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going to stop criticizing
Myself.
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And I'm just going to, I'm just
going to do it.
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And so over time, you know, in
this is again long time ago.
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But over time, I started to
realize.
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Wow, this playful attitude is
what's missing so much in the
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yoga culture, which tend to be
very serious, very strict and it
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has so many benefits.
So, one of the benefits is a
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gets you out of that sort of
serious mindset to.
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We just experienced what it is
in front of you.
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How your body's moving feeling
your body or even potentially
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noticing what someone else is
doing it.
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Getting inspired by it, but not
getting jealous of it, right?
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Or switching that another thing
is being playful.
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Actually allows you to get
better results.
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And what I mean by that is when
you notice a kid playing or
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learning a new skill, they do it
until they're tired, then they
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take a break, I don't adults, do
the same thing.
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Why do we have to grind and
grind and grind?
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And think like, oh, I just put
my nose to the grindstone.
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That's the only way I can
achieve this and don't get me
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wrong.
Sometimes we need to push
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through, but there's other
times, like, who, what if I
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should say?
Played with this like a kid with
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and when I get tired I take a
break and then I come back and
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sure enough over time.
That repetition feeling good
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through your movements.
That's how you start to develop
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skills, that's how you move
better.
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That's how you do it with a
sense of ease.
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That's how you bounce strength
and flexibility and then the
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last thing about playfulness,
you know, sometimes people think
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playfulness is just being like a
carrot just being sort of this
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willy-nilly but no playfulness
could actually also be very
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focused and so they could be
moments.
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Are you are very focused and
precise and you're still playing
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and you have the ability to then
switch it to any moment, right?
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And then, you can be all, you
know, I want to be a little more
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expensive.
I want to be like a kid again.
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Or, you know, actually do want
to practice being serious for a
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minute, but there's again,
there's an ability to switch and
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sort of play with different say
dispositions at any point.
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And I think that's very helpful
for us students.
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I really feel a lot of what you
said.
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Well, first about About yoga
being a foundation that lifts
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all other aspects of your life.
And also, I'm getting this image
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of an inner child.
Like we all have an inner child
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within us and that inner child I
think can come out, not just in
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yoga, but in other areas of Our
Lives, you talked a lot about
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how your kids have inspired you,
especially with what you bring
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to class.
And movement.
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I'm curious what you were like
as a kid.
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I don't personally remember
this, but I hear this from
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peers, as well, as the parents
of my peers, and my friends said
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I was very charismatic as a kid.
I don't think adventurous is the
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right word, but, but willing to
try new things.
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So in some ways that might be
adventurous and I think the
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sense that I get is, I also had
Focus as a kid which most kids
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that sort of a struggle.
And so being able to sit with a
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task for a while and really dive
deep into it.
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Whether it be listening to some
new Jazz album that my dad gave
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me or, for example, in martial
arts learning a specific skill.
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Oh, here's one example.
Learning to do this the straddle
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splits, when I was, you know, in
sixth grade or so.
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So, you know, almost adolescent,
but to spending so much time and
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focus on that Switching gears a
little bit.
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What has your journey looked
like as a baker?
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So, let's see, after college
ended up working for an
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adventure travel company called
back roads, actually based in
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Berkeley and they specialize in
adventure travel.
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So biking cycling hiking
kayaking all that sort of stuff
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and they needed support for
their group.
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So anytime that the group would
land somewhere.
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So I was what they call the Camp
Chef at the time, it was a
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really fun job.
I had cooked before that.
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But basically, this was like my
first professional application
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of cooking in an outdoor
setting.
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So like my office Was the Grand
Canyon, you know, essentially
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for a summer it was so much fun
met, so many cool people.
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And from there ended up working
at a non-profit that dealt with
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food and agriculture.
I wasn't really doing much
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Hands-On work production work at
the time and then sort of
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steered, huh?
What would it be like to own a
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business?
You know, I was really
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interested in small business at
the time, primarily from working
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through this farmers market
which essentially know each each
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stall is its own business.
And in a way each Farm, I wanted
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some of that experience.
And happened to find Arizmendi
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which is very similar to the
cheese board.
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It's basically a sister
cooperative and Association of
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bakeries went through their
whole training process, became a
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co-owner of the bakery and Santa
fell, which is where I lived at
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the time.
Also, where I grew up and really
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fell in love with baking bread
and rolling and working with a
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team and leading a team and
navigating the Ages of not just
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business, but also as a
Cooperative, which is just so
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different than your top-down
hierarchical business structure,
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was there for several years, and
then ended up moving to cheese
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board because we move to
Berkeley and have been a cheese
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board now, for almost almost
eight years, so it wasn't
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necessarily intentionally.
I want to be a baker but it was
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more.
There was an interest there of.
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Hmm.
I want to own my own business
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and I want to try this food
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Wonder what it's like.
The cheese board is so much more
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than just a bakery listeners.
If you are in the Bay Area, you
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know, it's an institution very
much in its place in Berkeley
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and also its place in the world
of workers cooperatives.
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What have you learned from this
business side of being a
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co-owner at the cheese board?
I'll patience.
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And patience is the biggest
thing, particularly, for our
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model, every cooperative
Business is a little different
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ours, in particular we strive
for consensus and we have a
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modified consensus model, so
there can be a little descent
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but not very much.
There's not a, we're slowly
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starting to allow a little more
descent, let's say, but that
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requires so much time, energy to
shift culture shifting people's
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perspectives, shifting culture,
pitching an idea, takes a Of
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time sometimes.
And I think the biggest thing
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that I've learned is is being
patient and also planning way
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ahead like hey okay we have this
thing on the agenda we know it's
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not going to pass but let's
introduce this idea.
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The next meeting maybe have a
breakout group and discuss some
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of the points that are a little
sticky or people are not really
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on the same page with and then
maybe by you know the next
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quarter we can actually propose
this and have it passed so it
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takes a lot of time.
In a Cooperative, you know, it's
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not just one person saying we're
going to do this or even a small
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Board of folks saying we're
going to do this.
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And here's here's the next
Direction, it's really a group
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effort.
The cheese board is unique in
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that it's, you know, firmly
planted in the Bay Area.
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Which over the past few decades
has been the world of VC and
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startups and fast-paced and a
lot of times hierarchical and
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these tend to be the people who
are buying bread too, I think
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startups and tech companies
could learn from coops.
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There's two things.
One is the patient's factor,
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which is so hard in a tech
environment, you know, many of
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my friends work in Tech and so I
hear sort of their struggles.
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Super fast paced again,
hierarchical, but being able to
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take, maybe just a little more
time.
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And again, I Tech world is very
challenging.
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I understand that's very
challenging, but I think the
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second thing is, And this is
what we say within our own
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business, at she sport, the
wisdom of the group.
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And what we mean by that is you
have folks that are actually
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doing very high-level work, that
an executive would be doing a
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cheese board.
Now they don't have the same
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power and say necessarily but
their role in terms of being
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strategic their role.
In terms of being a leader or
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getting people to rise to
certain challenges, we listen to
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those people but we also listen
to the people who don't have
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those skills necessarily but
maybe Well in other areas and
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rolling bread or add cooking
staff meals.
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And so we get this big variety
of perspectives.
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Also backgrounds, we are very
diverse, workplace, not just
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socio-economic, but also culture
language.
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And so we get this really broad
expansive view of where people
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are coming from.
And while that's very
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challenging and unnecessary
timely, it provides sort of
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worldly wisdom in a way. that I
think everyone not just the tech
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industry but everyone could
benefit from Let's take a moment
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to reflect on this question,
think of your team?
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How could you help draw out more
wisdom of the team outside of
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Hosting this podcast?
I partner with leaders in the
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workplace as they rise up.
Perhaps you've gotten a
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promotion landed, a new role or
taken on a lot more
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responsibility and you need a
It's sounding board to support
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you as you support your team.
I coach individuals and
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Leadership teams to rise to the
challenge with my a and blend of
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analytical and creative.
If any of this intrigues, you
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reach out to me at Jessica
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Now, back to the show, your work
at the cheese board starts
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really early in the morning.
How does healthy movement play a
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role when you're in the kitchen?
In and working those super early
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shifts.
So, Saturday is my early shift.
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Wake up at 3 a.m. get to work a
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little before. 4:00 a.m.
rolling, all the bread, starting
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to bake.
Some of the sweet stuff movement
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is essential as a baker or even
through any sort of, let's say,
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production sort of work.
You are limited in what
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movements you do and they tend
to be repetitive.
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So, taking a moment to take a
stretch break, for example, like
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at work, we do.
At 55 am take a stretch break,
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start to move our bodies in
different ways and that really
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starts to loosen up areas of
tension.
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Also just gives you a different
perspective about your work when
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you're able to step back on my
breaks I tend to go downstairs
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and what we call a third garage
it's just a big garage with a
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bunch of flowers and stuff in
it.
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I put up some gymnastics rings
and I actually go through a
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movement routine to get
different movement from my body.
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The benefit of doing that is I
have so much more energy for the
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rest of the time until I get
off, which is around 12 or 13.
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One and if I don't do that, I
notice immediately I'm just
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dragging.
And so for me, it's really a way
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of what a inspiring other people
to move.
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That's what we take that stretch
bake but for myself knowing
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that, hey, if I do this and I'm
not going in doing anything
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crazy, but if I go through this
movement, routine takes some
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mindful approach through it.
It really just has that ripple
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effect so that my body's feeling
good.
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But also so that I'm focused in
what it is that I'm doing that.
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I'm not spacing out or just
staring at the clock.
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Wondering.
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Can I go home and take my nap?
Now, I'm so tired.
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So, you know move it plays a
huge role.
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I would say it's the foundation
for, you know, not just keeping
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your body working well but also
keeping your mind in a place
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that is productive and positive.
It's funny you bring up
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gymnastics rings because they
seem to have sparked a lot of
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conversation.
One of your current projects is
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morning parent workouts at your
kids school.
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These are 20 to 30-minute
movement it's and another dad
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saw you with your gymnastics
rings and now the whole schools
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talking about movement, posture
squats, handstands Etc.
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What does this current project
mean to you in any business
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venture?
We always, you know, we do our
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market research or even even
within the coop or doing our
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research, okay.
Is this product and sell,
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whatever?
Doing all this research, is this
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thing going to work, but
sometimes we just have to play
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with it and just try something.
So, for example, in this case, I
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had my gymnastics rings on my
backpack.
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Another dad saw it and rather
than me like organizing
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something, it was just sort of
spontaneous.
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This Dad saw at told another
dad, another dad saw it moms are
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no jumping into it.
It's just fun, you know?
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And as a parent we have so many
restrictions on our time or
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energy location, I was like, you
know what, all this is going to
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take is like 20 minutes,
sometimes, 30 minutes.
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If we have a little more time,
you know, in the in the drop off
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at preschool went smoothly and
everything and it's just Has
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been so much fun playing around
with these other parents
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learning how to pull, better
learning how to squat better
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seeing, how other folks are
moving asking questions, right?
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Again, that community that
playfulness and then also the
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results.
I mean, oftentimes we have this
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fallacy of that.
We need to put in hours and
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hours and hours, to see results.
And actually, even just in 20
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minutes of going through, one of
these routines that I put
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together and have amazing
benefits.
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And so, I keep getting texts
from all the partners of whoever
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Has Come, For example, Like one
of my other friends texted me
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like saying wow.
You know, Seth walk through the
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door with this huge smile on his
face.
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I don't know what you did, but
but it's, you know, it's great.
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Keep doing it so, yeah, we'll
see what happens with it.
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But right now, it's really just
a matter of moving around
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together in community being
playful and then seeing the the
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amazing results from that, what
do you think is the intersection
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of baking and movement?
So we're going to get a little
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philosophical.
Because as a Sands were
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straddling, sort of two
identities.
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And sometimes those identities
are a little rigid, little fix.
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Like, I am this.
Hmm.
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And sometimes we need that for
that confidence, for that
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courage.
Yeah, this is me.
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This is what I do.
And that's great, you know,
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yourself, but maybe taking it
even a broader a bigger
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approach.
We're baking that movement is
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like a meditation.
Just like your movement
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training, just like your
movement practice the
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application, Looks different
because wonderful flower you're
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working with do here on the
table.
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The other, your might be moving
through yoga routine or again, a
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strength circuit or Locomotion.
But ultimately, it's how am I
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applying my focus.
How am I expressing myself
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through these movements?
Right?
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So if you're rolling a baguette
in, you're doing it and you're
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sort of tie in rigid, that
baguettes, not going to turn out
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very nice.
You might fly in it, you might
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not give it.
Enough tension.
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If you put too much tension and
you start to rip the do.
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Same thing goes with your
movement, pulling a little too
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hard.
Oh there goes your bicep or
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maybe you're not engaging enough
and you're not getting much out
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of it.
You're not fully expressed, so I
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think really.
Now the baking and the movement
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are really the same thing as
really about the individual
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showing up.
I how am I going to show up in
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this environment?
Doesn't really matter what the
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environment is so much is this
is how I shop.
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So it's deciding To lead your
life rather than always be sort
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of ton of fit different molds
and don't get me wrong, does it?
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There's workability within that,
but truly, this is how I shot.
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This is how I move my body.
So that that's taken a long time
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to sort of come to that
conclusion of really
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harmonizing.
Again, these two seemingly
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different worlds and having them
be actually.
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Oh, maybe they're, they're one
of the same or interchangeable.
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I hadn't really thought before
about How the body effects,
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what'd you bake, but you hear a
lot about, you know, if you bake
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with love, then the results are
good.
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But I'm hearing even more than
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It's really a product of Being
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Why we bake for others?
Yeah, so back 10 years ago in
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2013, you set foot on the Camino
de Santiago.
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And after that Journey, you
wrote a book called The
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preparedness guide.
For the Camino de Santiago 10
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years later.
How has that Journey stayed with
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you?
Well, in the most practical
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sense, continuing to hike,
continuing to run to be outside
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to be in motion.
And life is always about
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movements always being in
motion.
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But I think the beautiful thing
about the Camino de Santiago is.
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You can choose your pace, you
can take a rest, you can stop.
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And that was a huge, huge
element that was missing.
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In my life, right before, I had
gone on the Camino earlier, I'd
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reference like that sort of Life
burned out.
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And again, we're not going to
get into all that stuff, but
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being able to slow down and find
a pace that works for you and
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not any point.
Yeah, you can turn that Tempo up
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or you can back off.
So the Camino really taught me
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how to in other words,
self-regulating right on the
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journey and another thing that I
sort of forgot but have now,
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recently rediscovered is looking
Those little clues in your life
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that are helping you along and
guide you in the direction that
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you want to go and paying
attention, I'd paying attention
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to those side.
So those are sort of the two
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main takeaways is is yeah.
I like being able to regulate
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your pace.
And then second thing is hanging
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attention to your surroundings.
The little clues that are
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helping you guide along and
eventually, you know, you will
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reach something.
Ah, go we're at whatever.
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Santiago sort of metaphorically
is for you.
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You'll arrive there but it's
just Trusting that process and
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keeping moving.
Yeah.
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What advice do you have for
people who are pursuing or
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thinking of pursuing, an
ampersand life, if you're
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thinking about pursuing an
ampersand life, I want you to
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just do it.
I want you to start moving that
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movement.
Might be really small, doesn't
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necessarily mean you have to
quit one thing to start another.
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Sometimes that might be the
case, but really it's what's the
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smallest thing that I could do
right now?
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How can I take just one step?
How could I really step?
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To this fully you know it's quit
say but life is so short.
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So if you have something that is
pulling you stop resisting,
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instead use that force to move
into it.
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And I mean, it's like again,
this is my martial arts
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background, but someone is
pulling you and you're resisting
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the pole, that gives them all
the power, but if someone pulls
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you and you strike into it,
they've just lost all their
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power.
So the same sort of principle
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can apply.
If you've Got that pole.
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Something's pulling at you.
I want to do this thing.
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I'm a little scared.
I'm not sure.
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Overthinking it.
You just step right into it.
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Strike go because it works out.
It always does just have to
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trust yourself.
I'm hearing, just go for it and
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we are all in motion anyway.
So why not take that step?
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Exactly through all of these
interviews.
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We are co-creating principles
for leading a multi passionate
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life.
What would you like to add to
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the Ampersand Manifesto?
So first thing is trusting
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yourself, I think that's that's
huge.
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Trusting yourself.
Second thing I would say is
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rather than focusing so much on
results which are important.
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Don't get me wrong, very
important.
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I want to see a Sands and this
goes for for everyone really to
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be fully expressed.
And what I mean by that is
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showing up as you and that kind
of goes back to trust in
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yourself but showing up And
being you.
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And that's that's the second
thing that it has been.
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Such a pleasure talking with you
and I'll see you in class on
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Friday folks.
You can check out Max work at
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Matt toy.com.
That's matto, y, or an Instagram
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at met toy yoga and we'll link
to these in the show notes.
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If you liked this show hit,
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your friends and fellow
ampersands, I had a chance to
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listen back on my conversation
with Matt and I wanted to share
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a few key takeaways one.
There's an interesting interplay
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between focus and playing that.
I'm curious to explore in my own
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life.
As a child, I was a bit like
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Matt able to focus for long
periods of time.
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I remember being interpreted as
serious and mature, now as an
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adult, I am looking for places
to play and while Focus and play
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are different.
They are not diametrically
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opposed.
In fact, I wonder if playing
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ushers in Focus before
inhabiting a playful attitude
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and loving what we're doing.
Maybe that's when focus is
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ignited to it was fascinating to
hear about how workers
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cooperatives operate and the
idea of developing patients
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through work in my experience in
the corporate.
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And startup world even though
it's fast-paced I would 100%
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agree that adaptations to
culture and new ideas, take time
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and sometimes it seems like the
faster route.
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The more hierarchical route just
makes change happen.
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But there are consequences I
think we need to talk more about
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these consequences about the big
picture, both in the business
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world and in society at large 3,
We are always in motion as a
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coach.
I often hear from clients that
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navigating change is one of the
hardest struggles feeling
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unmoored or not secure.
But when we think about it, even
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when we are settled or in one
place, there is always change
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happening.
So, how do we get more
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comfortable and accept that?
We are always in motion, like
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Walking the Camino.
It's not about the The
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destination.
Like it to add to the are
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presented a festo.
Thanks for trusting me so much
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Jessica.
I feel very honored actually.
